Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Perseverance pays ....

Disclaimer: This post is yuxtermely long. So please read it at your risk. The author (or is it authoress?) does not claim any responsibility of people becoming deranged after going through this post.

Reading “Made in Japan” made me re-visit an e-mail conversation with JV. For a change, please follow the bottom-up approach in reading this post :) !

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-----Original Message-----
From: JV.
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:50 AM
To: CMS
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well U have a point. I failed to look at this issue under that light as I had become engrossed in u r article. I had just forgotten the source or the main essence that was discussed in the article.

Thanx for pointing tht out and yes it was a great analogy (paradoxically) u have bought in.

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:53 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race ( Read This)

Yep.....who does not want to earn money?? The scientists had ample opportunity to do the same, but they refused because they had an inking of the destruction which would be caused. Try relating this to the case of the Software Engineer murdering his wife for dowry...

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race ( Read This)

Well actually U thnk when the entire world was condemning the attack or use of atom bombs u thnk the voices of the scientists who refused to work in hat project had some special significance???

Hmmmmm............

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:44 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race ( Read This)

Thanks..... does it make sense??

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Yes U are !! Well that article made some interesting reading.

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:39 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Aha......blessed am I ..... :) :)...

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Thou shall be graced now!!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:34 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Thanks for being redeemed in thou holiest's eyes.....

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Interesting!!! Sorry for doubting u r identity. U are C of Declc!!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:57 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Hmm...coming back to the issue on hand, I feel that education today just teaches how to make money (both by just and unjust means)... There are no issues of morality involved in higher classes. I guess that aspect ends with Kindergarten itself...

Sometimes, the fault lies with teachers themselves. They appear to be a disinterested lot, not really caring whether what they teach makes sense to the students or not. My father used to say that his teacher personally used to make sure that the students read in the study holidays by coming to their places and checking on them. I rarely see that in today's teachers....

Another important matter is the way we are brought up. Our culture and traditionalistic values go a long way in influencing us. One important aspect I remember is those scientists who refused to research into the concept of atom bombs. All these scientists had a strong traditional background (both family wise and culturally). They were able to envisage
what would happen in the future if such a destructive invention were to put into practice! Hence the result - the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – brought severe condemnation, not only from the public but also these scientists, who were against the idea from the beginning.

Plus, a lot depends on the company we are with. Even with a good background, people tend to stray simply because of peer pressure. These belong to those set of people who still are in search of an identity, in spite of strong-rooted values instilled by their family. I have seen some of my friends smoke, not because they like it, but because they are not considered a part of the group if they do not smoke !!!

Too long a mail, right??

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

I do not get bored of an intelligent company and I can talk however long I want without getting bored , I never will, but the companion I have shld be equally interesting or shld give me a kind of competition in that aspect.

Well Am I talking too much of wht I xpct from U and too much abt what I am feeling??? Well do tell me If I am?? Shall take necessary precautions against that sort of a thing in the future.

Perception Checking!! Huh This & D training skills will never leave me!!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:36 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

So.....it is allright now, is it?? What happened?? Got bored or got used to it?? :) :)

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well frankly I expected some exchange of viewpoints, knowledge, feelings and of course some mutual leg pulling, sarcasm, smart puns, and a whole lot of wit and humour emanating from any chosen topic.

U see I do not discuss things like these with everyone I talk too. Just that I feel, U are a right match I can pit myself against, among the girls I mean. U take thngs with a pinch of salt ( many do that) but do not stand back and respond back as or shld I say as curtly or coldly as U do. That's an interesting attribute of urs. Well I thnk I am praising U too much now.

That is what I expected and I manage to satisfy myself with the nett effect of our chats normally. Today it was way below what I expected to get . But its alright now.

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:20 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Not really...... I am not a great company to converse, simply because I do not talk that much... (now you know the big, dark secret of mine :) ).

And what did you expect from this conversation??

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Yes It was!! I am sarcastic cozzz it was a let down in terms of wht I expected out of this conversation.

Anyways I have no rights or privileges to expect anything from U?? So if I am too sarcastic or If u feel that I am stepping out of my bounds, well I am sorry.......................

I jus though U were a great company to converse with..... that was all.....

Am I right??? And Don't just say yes/No substantiate U r viewpoint provided U have time!!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:11 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

First impression is the best impression...Similarly, first few lines of the mail convey the most than the latter part.... :) So, if I am not wrong, 'Gosh U are tooo good and smart' was really sarcastic.. :)

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well I was serious in the latter part of the mail. What a pessimist are U, U just saw the negative side of my mail!! :(

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:07 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Wow...what a dose of sarcasm......'Gosh U are tooo good and smart'.........

I am floored......

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Gosh U are tooo good and smart. How are u able to comprehend whatever I am trying to say???

What happened to U today??? U don't seem at u r normal self. I mean it is not evident in u r writing or U responses. U used to have a dash of sarcasm, some humor sprinkled, some spice up, served with salt, well U seemed like in u r terms "Chicken Soup for My early Morning".

Well maybe coz I get soo much from a session chatting with U I seem To enjoy conversing (Mailing) U.

I get a chance to talk to someone who does not have a narrow or chunelling vision?? Was I xpecting too much from U???

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:00 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

You mean, I do not have a good sense of humour? What on earth made you to suspect my identity?? :) :)..

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

U r sense of humor is tickling me :) :)

Am I talking to CMS of DECLC. I thnk this is not the person I know???

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:52 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well....you are not exactly talking, are you??

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well U have an uncanny ability to read between lines. Is it when I talk or when anyone else talks too???

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:48 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Huh???

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well then what are U being now???

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:47 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Hey.....I am not being defensive..... no apologies please....

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Oh Ok I didn't know that..

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:37 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Yep..... I do have strong convictions, but it does allow me to take a stand on certain issues...

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well If U remember our conv initially, in reply to this mail I had questioned the role of education if it was not giving the qualities U had talked about.
That is “Education does not teach common sense as well.....neither does it teach
The meaning of ethics or values...."

So I thought U will take a stand on that and we can discuss abt it?? That was all!!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:27 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Hey....nooooo.....first of all what exactly do you mean by taking a stand???

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Well it is obvious wasn't it??? I thought U are a person who held to u r convictions and took a stand in issues. Was I wrong??? Oops sorry then :)

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:16 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

What do you mean 'How unlike of you'?? And taking a stand??

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
To: "CMS"
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

U ARE IN NO MOOD TO TAKE A STAND!!! How Unlike of U?? If U change Ur mind and take a stand on that issue do mail back!

-JV


-----Original Message-----
From: CMS
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:08 AM
To: JV.
Subject: Re: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

Education does not teach common sense as well.....neither does it teach the meaning of ethics or values....

-C


----- Original Message -----
From: "JV."
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: the plague known as the human race (Read This)

I recently came across this article about this NRI, who murdered his newly wed wife in cold blood and dismembered her body. Because he wanted a dowry of Rs 2 lakh, oh the shame of it

I can’t understand how some one who is so well educated can actually stick to such concepts as dowry. Wasn’t education supposed to be the cure of all evils, the light which was supposed to dispel darkness.......

Or perhaps the education being imparted is of the wrong kind. Perhaps this is not education in the truest sense of the word. This education teaches you how to make money, but doesn’t teach you to open your mind, doesn’t teach you to be tolerant. Sadly most of the so called well educated people are still intolerant to other religions, ideals and so on.

But then the question arises, isn’t a quality such as tolerance a basic human quality, not something which needs to be inculcated through education.

Apparently not...... humans it seems are very dark creatures.... man must be the only living being in the world who requires education to be ethical .... animals may not be as advanced as human beings.. but they are perhaps a better set of living beings..............

And when will all this stop.... never.....each generation passes on the same ideals to the next generation ......and the intolerance and social evil will never end....... pathetic .... humans in some of their forms are pathetic ...... nothing more....nothing less.........

cheers
-JV

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I am amazed (and a bit pleased) that JV still had this scrap at some remote corner of his mail-box. I remember wondering when I went through the conv-scrap the first time - "Did I actually write this?" .....

I am still wondering......

Sigh...maybe the effects of a very stressful day is finally catching up :) !!


18 comments:

Khushi said...

//each generation passes on the same ideals to the next generation

//each generation passes on the same ideals to the next generation

Agree.. agree...

//Sometimes, the fault lies with teachers themselves

hmm???? :-/

//peer pressure

??????
for dowry death????

PS: thanks for the disclaimer :)

chitra said...

-/Khushi
Tee heee.. full taLe ketting?? :) :) And peer pressure sometime results in people straying from their morals. I hope Si is not among them... :)!

Anonymous said...

idhu oodho astaralli inna ondhu samvatsara ne beku;-)
happy ugadi!!!

chitra said...

-/Anon(Shub)
Hey thanks ! Wish you the same :) ! Adakke disclaimer haakide... :)!

Anonymous said...

illi no UGADI yaar....
there is something called as SAKURA that marks start of spring(chaitra!!!not chitra)....
il try to njoy that...
thnx a lot for wishes!!!

chitra said...

-/Anon(Shub)
Yelliyaadaro sari.. yunjaay maaDi :) !

Khushi said...

Agree agree list alli, second point was this..

//Education does not teach common sense as well.....neither does it teach the meaning of ethics or values....

(blame it on my copy-pasting sKILLS) ;-)

//And peer pressure sometime results in people straying from their morals.

hmm ya... might get influenced, but to what extent? ya.. mebbe depends on the individual...

oye...si??? andre???

chitra said...

-/Khushi
Si is my cousin :). Refer "Kya kare kya na kare"... :)

lakshana said...

*cold blooded murder keepin monitary benefits in mind...(GOSH! the minds of some barbarians!)

*i think more than the education that is imparted wat really makes a difference is the kinda ppl u interact with (while in those institutions)..but if u carefully notice ..measures have been taken to make "ethics" a part of the education these days as well(referring to those xtra subjects incorporated now a days)

*wondering how ur friend JV wud react if (s)he ever finds out that (s)he was put on the spot light of ur blog :P

*on a funny note - even though this was probably unintensional... its an interesting way of getting the compliments to roll on ur side ;) [smart move!!]

*i probably shudve written a disclaimer at the begining of my comment too... oh well.. i already warned u :P

Anonymous said...

so-called-doDDa: nanna Sanksrit teacher haeLta idru. Vidye kaltre buddhi barolla antha. Same was the case with that NRI I guess. I know a person who has done his MS in a US university, just becos he will get a higher dowry and the only criterion to be his wife was to be good in economics. :). yella tharada janagaLoo irthaare illi. Some Indians, when they go abroad, only have a multiplication factor in their mind. 45 for US, 80-85 for UK. Education is just an entry permit for them. Its so disgusting!.

ritzkini said...

And..you guys actually manage to get some work done !??!!
:D

aa said...

hey chitra... you have brought up a very good topic. I think we are touching upon the matter of "education" superficially.
It is a good idea to read what Lord Macaulay's Minute says. His openly racist and shrewdly imperialist attitudes have made the Indians we are today! Please read the page given in following link when u find time. do tell ur friends about it.
www.geocities.com/bororissa/mac.html
(or google search "macaulay's minute".)

chitra said...

-/Lakshana
*Yup...barbarians is the right word!

*True...but how much of importance and weightage is paid to a subject like Moral Science?

*I already took JV's permission. JV ....where are you when I need you? Eh?? :)

*Tee hee...you noticed?? :) :)That's me - modest to a fault! :)

*Consider me warned :) !


-/so-called-doDDa
Yup doDDa. Totally agree with you on this point! Disgusting is the word for it!

-/Kini
Tee hee....howdu. Is it that hard to believe?

-/AA
MaaDtheene kaNe! Definitely....

lakshana said...

hey...wasnt referring to moral science... heard of "professional ethics"??...it is of some importance .. though not as much as the others (from the point of view of the students)..
watz the relevance between ur title n ur post?

chitra said...

-/Lakshana
Oh..got it :) ! With regards to the title, on two points:
1. You ought to have some perseverance inculcated at an early age which our education system lacks.
2. Well...you ought to have perseverance to go through such a lenghty post right? :) :)

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